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2748 Posts Recent Started
Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 3:34 PM
Hello everyone,

I’d love to hear your opinions, ideas, and experiences on the following topic:

Here in Bernau am Chiemsee, an environmental campaign is currently being planned for 2017/2018  (we’re still in the brainstorming phase). Ideas are being collected on how environmental protection can be put into action. So far, a “community garden” group and an “ecological footprint” group are already taking shape; and, of course, a crochet group for a shopping net has already formed. These crocheted items will then be sold at this year’s Christmas bazaar and are meant to encourage people to stop using plastic bags. Personally, I’d be interested to know whether it’s legally possible to shop with your own bowl from home, for example at the butcher’s or similar places. Maybe someone knows whether there’s anything to keep in mind regarding hygiene regulations and so on.

Under the motto “Plastic Fasting” it is planned to publicize this campaign again more explicitly during the Lenten season in 2018.

I’m looking forward to hearing what ideas you all have. Maybe one town or another has a similar project running and has experiences or tips they can share, which I could then pass on to our project leader if appropriate.

Best regards,
Traudelina

3407 Posts Recent Started
Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 3:42 PM
Huhu!

Es gibt durchaus inzwischen Märkte, in denen man grundsätzlich seine Transportboxen selbst mitbringt.
Ich habe schon beim Metzger in unserem Supermarkt eine Brotdose über den Tresen gereicht, in den mir dann die Salami gepackt wurde. Die war für die Spielgruppe und dort war es einer Mutter seeeehr wichtig, dass wir zum nächsten Termin die Sachen mal "ökologisch sinnvoll" mitbrachten.
Ob das aber jeder Metzger macht, weiß ich nicht.

Eigentlich finde ich sowas sehr gut, aber ich bin ehrlich, ich vergesse dann vor dem Einkauf, meine Dosen etc einzustecken...
Bin ja froh, dass ich inzwischen immer einen Beutel in der Tasche habe und dass wir unsere Wocheneinkäufe mit Klappkisten im Auto machen.

1261 Posts Recent Started
Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 4:08 PM
Ich selber verzichte seit über 10 Jahren auf Plastiksäcke. Ich habe immer eine Tragetasche eingepackt die man ganz klein zusammenlegen kann und die bis 3 kg reißfest ist. Ist sie auch, sogar ein wenig mehr.
Sonst wird mit Papiertaschen oder inzwischen Filztaschen eingekauft.

Bei uns direkt im Ort wird bei den kleinen Geschäften jetzt das 2. Jahr wirklich alles nur noch in Papier verpackt. Das ist richtig aufgefallen und wird sehr positiv aufgenommen.
Und im Bioladen freuen sie sich immer wenn ich die leeren Eierpackungen wieder bringe.

Mit einem eigenen Geschirr bin ich noch nie einkaufen gegangen. Weiß auch nicht ob das bei den großen Einkaufsketten akzeptiert wird. Wäre aber auf jeden Fall einen Versuch wert.

Ganz aktuell ist es bei den Kids bei uns im Ort sehr wichtig, Palmöl-freie Lebensmittel zu kaufen. Sie haben das in der Schule durchgenommen und die großen Kinder machen es vor und die kleinen eifern nach. Da habe ich erst gemerkt, wie schwer es ist das umzusetzen. Aber es gibt die Ausnahmen - man muss nur suchen.

Bin auch gespannt was andere noch schreiben. Ich bin immer bereit so Ideen in der Praxis zu testen.

5176 Posts Recent Started
Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 5:58 PM
I recently read an article on the topic of “Bringing Your Own Packaging.” It mentioned that there are indeed hygiene concerns and that many stores reject the idea for this reason—since certain precautions would need to be taken.
Here’s how it’s done properly: A tray is set up at the counter where customers can place their own containers so they can be filled without the seller coming into contact with them. This way, the customer’s container doesn’t touch the counter either, and the tray is then put in the dishwasher. And that’s just an extra step that many people don’t want to go through.

I don’t think I’ve ever used large plastic bags for shopping; I always go into town with my backpack, and all my purchases end up in there. If necessary, I have two cloth bags in my backpack, so that’s not an issue.
The biggest problem for me was finding a replacement for fruit and vegetable bags. I use them for a very long time and keep bringing them back so I don’t have to tear off a new one, and I even wash them. But eventually, they just wear out. At Alnatura, you can now buy mesh bags for this purpose and bring them back again and again. I have plenty of the same mesh fabric at home because there’s always some left over from my window screens. Now I’ve sewn a few bags out of it, and I’m actually quite happy with them.

2748 Posts Recent Started
Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 6:08 PM
@Nina
Danke für deinen Beitrag. In welchen Märkten ist das schon üblich mit den mitgebrachten Dosen?

@Dagmar - Danke auch dir.
Welche Lebensmittel sind ohne Palmöl - so beispielsweise?

Weiß jemand, wieviel max. Belastung unsere gehäkelten Einkaufsnetze so aushalten?
Habe noch keine Getränke damit transportiert.

@Inna
Danke für die "Theken-Info" - ist gut zu wissen.

2748 Posts Recent Started
Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 6:09 PM
Muss mal eben PC-Pause machen - zu heiiiiißßßß

2049 Posts Recent Started
Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 11:06 PM
Bei uns haben die Supermärkte angefangen, auch die kleinen Plastik-säcklein an den Kassen zu berechnen und offenbar ist der Gebrauch seither merklich zurück gegangen. Gemüse und Obst stecke ich wenn möglich in Netzbeutel (z.B. von Ocean Care) oder versuche zumindest, die Plastiktüten vom Markt mehrmals zu verwenden. Fleisch essen wir eher wenig und da hätte ich etwas Bedenken mit mitgebrachtem Geschirr - weiss auch gar nicht, ob das überhaupt geht! Unsere Grossverteiler bemühen sich, Verpackungsmaterial möglichst zu minimieren, ohne den Schutz der Lebensmittel zu beeinträchtigen.

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Thursday, July 6, 2017 at 11:31 PM
Ich hatte mal ein Gespräch mit unserem Fischhändler, der sich standhaft weigerte, mitgebrachte Dosen zu befüllen. Grund: Es ist tatsächlich nicht erlaubt, und er kannte den Fall eines befreundeten Fischhändlers, der sich auf diese Weise mal Salmonellen in den eigenen Tresen geholt hatte, und es sind mehrere Leute lebensgefährlich erkrankt. Er sagte das läge daran, dass die eigenen Behältnisse nur unzureichend abgewaschen seien, weil die normalen Spülmaschinen nicht heiß genug waschen. Seine Maschine im Laden hat das Geschirr und die Löffel scheinbar fast gekocht.
Ich muss gestehen, dass ich damals den Laden frustriert verlassen habe. Ich habe immer versucht, so wenig Plastik wie möglich zu verwenden, sogar meine Diplomarbeit anno dunnemals drehte sich schon um Verpackungsvermeideung.
Deshalb habe ich gerade regelrecht die Ohren aufgestellt, als ich Innas Beitrag gelesen habe. Es geht also doch! Wunderbar! dann muss ich wohl mal mir meinen Händlern reden ....

9955 Posts Recent Started
Friday, July 7, 2017 at 12:27 AM
I’ve also noticed that the plastic waste in the yellow bag is piling up more and more! What’s especially annoying are all the food items pre-packaged in plastic when it isn’t really necessary. Why is fruit wrapped in plastic? Or cucumbers? They have a skin, after all! Why is it getting harder and harder to buy potatoes loose? That alone could save a lot of plastic. Or take the awful blister packaging for cosmetics. And sausages, meat, and cheese used to be wrapped in paper. 

1261 Posts Recent Started
Friday, July 7, 2017 at 8:07 AM
Dear Traudelina,

unfortunately, I never remember brand names—except for the really big ones. And those almost always contain palm oil.

Here, we have these millet balls that specifically advertise that they’re made with sunflower oil. The same goes for zwieback and even those corn fritters. I’ve even seen chips made with it.
As you can see, it’s mostly snack foods. It comes down to shopping habits.
Whenever possible, I shop at the organic store or the Schneeberg store, and they always assure me that everything they sell is palm oil-free.
My husband still shops at regular stores, but these days he only buys items that are explicitly allowed. He doesn’t want to deal with the arguments at home anymore.....
We don’t buy processed foods like frozen pizza and the like.
I have the luxury of a mother-in-law who cooks fresh meals for everyone at home every day—even though she’s 82. She always says that’s the only thing she can still contribute to the household. I think that’s worth more than anything else—and I tell her so.

2748 Posts Recent Started
Friday, July 7, 2017 at 10:10 AM
Danke für all eure Beiträge und Umwelt-Gesinnung :-)

@Dagmar: Also palmölfrei im Biomarkt, das wäre schon eine Idee, dazu muss ich mich allerdings ins Auto setzen zum Einkaufen, da wir sowas im Ort nicht haben - also auch nicht sooo umweltfreundlich..
Was möglich ist, besorge ich gerne mit dem Radl (kein E-Bike - grinnsss).

Denke, wenn ganz ganz viele Leute in den Geschäften immer wieder mit mitgebrachten Schalen kommen, könnten wir sehr viel in diese Richtung bewirken! Die Masse hat Macht, wie man beim Mauerfall in Berlin damals sehen konnte. Wäre schön, wenn wir massenhaft umweltbewusste Menschen erreichen könnten, die aktiv werden.

So, jetzt muss ich wieder was arbeiten.
Schönen Tag euch allen.

LG
Traudelina

3522 Posts Recent Started
Friday, July 7, 2017 at 11:23 AM
I have to say, the whole palm oil thing is really getting on my nerves by now. It’s in almost everything. The only way I see to avoid it is to stop buying processed foods altogether. Last week, I thought to myself—just as a quick meal when I’m home alone and really don’t feel like cooking anything elaborate—that a packet of instant soup would be just the thing. I haven’t bought any in ages, but suddenly the idea just popped into my head. That is, until I read the ingredient list. Can someone please tell me what palm oil is doing in a packet of instant soup?
The problem with cooking from scratch, on the other hand, is that even vegetables are often wrapped in plastic these days. You can’t buy tomatoes or apples individually anymore—I’ve even seen radishes sealed in thick plastic wrap—but then I’m told I’m not allowed to use plastic bags. So basically, the responsibility is being shifted from the wholesaler to the consumers, who—unless they have a farmers’ market nearby—can’t do anything to fight back against this packaging frenzy.
As for how much homemade shopping bags can hold—mine aren’t crocheted, but knitted—I’ve carried some pretty heavy loads home with them. I don’t buy beverages because I get my drinking water from the tap, but milk can really add up in weight. I’d say they can easily handle up to 10 kilos.

5176 Posts Recent Started
Friday, July 7, 2017 at 12:52 PM
Maybe it’ll be helpful to know that you can also order from Alnatura online—no fresh items, of course, but canned goods, pasta, nuts, oatmeal, etc., anything that keeps for a long time. Shipping is free for orders of 49 € or more. For anyone who doesn’t have an organic grocery store nearby, that’s a huge help.

4462 Posts Recent Started
Friday, July 7, 2017 at 1:54 PM
I take the train to go shopping since I don’t have a car.
I pack my groceries into my stair-climbing shopping trolley. I also keep extra cloth bags in there in case I end up with more than I expected.

Soon I’ll order some of those reusable bags for loose fruits and vegetables.

I really like these zero-waste stores.
Unfortunately, there aren’t any near me.

Friday, July 7, 2017 at 2:32 PM
For larger shopping trips, such as for drinks, I bring a shopping trolley with me. We have several stores right around the corner.

And I always keep cotton bags in every bag I have.

2748 Posts Recent Started
Friday, July 7, 2017 at 3:52 PM
@Inna
Alnatura online - klasse Idee. Danke schön für den Tipp.

@iglinz
10 kg ist schon ein ganz schönes Gewicht. Danke für deine Erfahrungsmitteilung.

2748 Posts Recent Started
Monday, July 10, 2017 at 6:01 PM
Thank you, dear Josefa & Team,
for the link to this post in the newsletter.
Best regards,
Traudelina

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